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Respecting Life , Making Hard choices

by: lightseeker

Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 10:42:51 AM CDT


Over at a little blog called Mole's Progressive Democrat, we read:

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By lightseeker2 at 2008-10-21

And herein lies a sharp difference between the two political parties. To the Republican Party, the "health of the mother," "health care" and the related "health care crisis," "education," "farmers," "environment," "Joe six pack," "Joe the plumber," etc. are all rhetorical talking points, not real issues to be solved with real solutions.

I would add "unborn" to this list of throwaway phrases. When you value the unborn with lip service and devalue poor childern's nurtitional, healthcare and educational needs, are you not living out the very essence of hypocracy?

This moral sloganeering defines for me the problem with our politics over the last 30 years. I blame the Republicans for setting us on this path. Howard Wolfson , reviewing Rick Perlstein's Nixonland puts it this way:

Perlstein correctly states that Nixon came "to power by using the anger, anxieties, and resentments produced by the cultural chaos of the 1960's," and defines Nixonland as the state of total political warfare over class and cultural conflicts.

Nixonland, the book, ends in 1972, but Nixonland, the place, endured, through the 70s and 80s, up until George W. Bush's re-election in 2004.  Welfare queens, Willie Horton, Swiftboats; all Nixonland tactics, all designed to cleave Americans along racial and cultural lines.  Perlstein writes, "What Richard Nixon left behind was the very terms of our national self-image: the notion that there are two kinds of Americans.  On the one side the "Silent Majority"...On the other side are the "liberals."

The politics of Nixonland proved very successful for the Republicans, if not for America.  Of the ten Presidential elections between 1968 and 2004, Republicans won 7.  The only two term Democrat elected in that period was hamstrung for three-quarters of his Presidency by a Republican Congress.  In Nixonland conservatives mostly set the agenda and framed the debate.  When Bill Clinton famously declared "the era of big government is over" in 1996 he was conceding the obvious -- in fact it had ended at least a decade earlier.

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lightseeker :: Respecting Life , Making Hard choices
It is the abortion issue that as much , if not more than any other , has defined the politics of Nixonland for me. It is "respect life month" in my church and I am getting the abortion is evil sermons back to back. Additionally, my debaters have just finished debating the topic, "Resolved, it is morally permissible to kill one innocent person to save the lives of more innocent persons." All of this set me to thinking about innocents, and women and mothers and abortion and rights and duties.

I want to briefly share the fruits of my thoughts. Both sides in this debate seem to argue against straw men. I am hearing in my church about people who abort their fetuses out of economic motivations or life style choices. In other words, they support "abortion on demand", out of pure selfishness.

From the Pro-choicers, the standard straw man is the evil cleric who , in conjunction with the rightwing proto-fascist, wishes to control women's bodies. Their motivations are basically a simple minded desire to return to the good old days of male centered families in a male centric world.

Of course, when we describe the two camps in this fashion, there is no middle ground to be found. Add the fact that the Democrats have long since joined the Republicans in finding it expedient to exploit this divide and this keystone of the culture wars becomes enthroned at the center or our politics. It doesn't belong there.

No one seriously believes that abortion is a joyous event. No one seriously supports abortion on demand as a cost cutting technique or as a way of avoiding troublesome limitations on your lifestyle. On the other hand, leaving aside the proto-fascists and their allies, there are good men and women who honestly believe that life must be protected at stages. When we put aside these straw men, the honest debate can begin.

Forget all the parsing of words, here is the hard truth as I see it. Sometimes, no matter what one does, an innocent will die. My debaters helped me see the flaw in the "respect life" argument. How do you honor life when , no matter what you choose, someone will die? A pregnant woman is told by her doctor that either he can save her or her baby, not both. How do we respect life then?

The dodge used in my religious tradition is the "double effect".  If your intent is to save one life and another life is thereby lost, that is morally permissible, if tragic. To which I answer, an innocent is still dead, you had a pretty good idea that this would be the outcome, so who are we kidding? You have traded one life for another. You can't respect all the lives in that circumstance.

Under those conditions, who gets to decide who lives and dies? The state? It should be the woman, her doctor and any other advisors she sees fit to consult. To argue otherwise is to make women moral minors, incapable of managing their own souls. In the case of minors, clearly the parents should be involved.

What about the special case of abuse and incest? In these cases the state does have a proper role to play. As for rape, again, if the woman is a adult, she decides what to do. If the woman is a minor, then her parents or guardians should play a big role in making the decision.

I think a consensus along these rough lines has been building over the last 4 to 6 years, but going through the death throes of Nixonland has obscured this truth. Could this election finally bring some common sense to this area of public policy?

A clearly conflicted evangelical opined to a reporter yesterday ( I can't refind the article, sorry) that he was seriously thinking of voting Democratic for the first time in his life. The abortion issue still matters to him deeply, but all the other stuff ( undefined by him) is really hard to ignore.

Maybe even some Catholic clergy get it....

A Catholic Shift to Obama?

By E. J. Dionne Jr.

Catholics, who are quintessential swing voters and gave narrow but crucial support to President Bush in 2004, are drifting toward Barack Obama. And this time, some church leaders are suggesting that single-issue voting is by no means a Catholic commandment.

In an interview yesterday, Gabino Zavala, an auxiliary bishop in the Los Angeles Archdiocese, said his fellow bishops have long insisted that "we're not a one-issue church," a view reflected in their 2007 document "Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship."

"But that's not always what comes out," says Zavala, who is also bishop-president of the Catholic peace group Pax Christi USA. "What I believe, and what the church teaches, is that one abortion is too many. That's why I believe abortion is so important. But in light of this, there are many other issues we need to bring up, other issues we should consider, other issues that touch the reality of our lives."

Those issues, Bishop Zavala said, include racism, torture, genocide, immigration, war and the impact of the economic downturn "on the most vulnerable among us, the elderly, poor children, single mothers."

Welcome to my world. I respect life, I hate abortions, but I don't think a mandated solution from jaded sloganeers will ever resolve this matter. We can agree to disagree about abortion, we just can't make it the only issue we vote on.

Stay tuned....

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According to Steven Spoonamore, IT whistleblower on computer election theft, fundamentalists are being lied to and used to commit the crime of flipping elections (0.00 / 0)
Spoon makes valid points about the people who have been implicated in much of the election thefts such as, "they are religious extremists." He names those who know about stolen elections and he insists that the only way to protect this election is with paper ballots, hand counted.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... It's a network, people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Electronic voting machines are a national security threat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... The genie is out of the bottle....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Fifty ways to steal an election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Mike Connell: Bush IT Guru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... The Rapp Family: Ohio election cover-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Evangelicals and voting machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Paper ballots please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... McCain/Palin will win by theft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... People should doubt the vote, it's being stolen.

...........

More babies are saved when everyone works together using each their own best efforts and expertise to support the needs of young families. Period. Study after study proves it.

Right to lifers, if they only knew that they are being lied to for political manipulation, would be very angry at not just being used, but at the increased loss of more life in real terms.

It is the amoral right wing authoritarians who use religion as a division to control people politically--people who really are moral are made to do immoral things (like being less effective with their main concern of babies lives just to be steered politically and among some steered even to the point of stealing elections) in the name of morality from a leader who is without morals.

Tragic. All the way around.

It's all about power and control; don't do it this year, this November.
............

http://www.democracynow.org/20...

A new book by Chris Hedges called "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America" investigates the highly organized and well-funded "dominionist movement." The book investigates their agenda, examines the movement's origins and motivations and uncovers its ideological underpinnings. "American Fascists" argues that dominionism seeks absolute power in a Christian state. According to Hedges, the movement bears a strong resemblance to the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s.

 Chris Hedges was a foreign correspondent for the New York Times for many years, where he won a Pulitzer Prize. He's also the author of War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning and Losing Moses on the Freeway. Chris Hedges has a Master's degree in theology from Harvard University and is the son of a Presbyterian minister. He is currently a senior fellow at the Nation Institute and joins me in studio now. Welcome to Democracy Now!

 CHRIS HEDGES: Thank you.

 AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Why did you write this book?

 CHRIS HEDGES: Anger. I mean, I grew up in the Church and, of course, as you mentioned, graduated from seminary, and I think these people have completely perverted and distorted and manipulated the Christian message into something that is the very antithesis of certainly what Jesus preached in the Gospels.

 AMY GOODMAN: Who are "these people"?

 CHRIS HEDGES: These are -- you know, they're not -- we use terms like "evangelical" and "fundamentalist" to describe them, and I think that those are incorrect terms. Traditional fundamentalists always called on believers to remove themselves from the contaminants of secular society, shun involvement in politics. Evangelical leaders like Billy Graham's always warned followers to keep their distance from political power. He, of course, was burned by Richard Nixon, came to Nixon's defense and then when it publicly came out that Nixon lied, it taught a lesson to Graham.

 This is a new movement, as embodied by people like James Dobson or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who call for the creation of a Christian state, who talk about attaining secular power. And they are more properly called dominionists or Christian reconstructionists, although it's not a widespread term, but they're certainly not traditional fundamentalists and not traditional evangelicals. They fused the language and iconography of the Christian religion with the worst forms of American nationalism and then created this sort of radical mutation, which has built alliances with powerful rightwing interests, including corporate interests, and made tremendous inroads over the last two decades into the corridors of power.
...........

 AMY GOODMAN: And what are the corporations that are part of this?

 CHRIS HEDGES: Well, DeVos, a guy who founded Amway; Target; Sam's Club. You know, they bring in -- a lot of these corporations like Wal-Mart and Sam's Club and others bring in these sort of dominionist or evangelical ministers into the plants as a way to mollify workers. Subscribing to this belief system is essentially about disempowerment.

snip

AMY GOODMAN: On the back of your book, Chris, is a quote from your professor at Harvard, Dr. James Luther Adams, who said that in a few decades we would all be fighting "Christian fascists." Who was he, and why did he think this?

CHRIS HEDGES: James Luther Adams was my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School. He had spent the years 1935 and 1936 in Germany working with Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Confessing Church or anti-Nazi church and eventually was picked up by the Gestapo and told to leave the country. He came back -- and this was in the early 1980s, when I was in seminary -- and saw the articulation of this new political religion, this religion that talked about seizing control of mainstream denominations, as well as institutions, creating a parallel media empire through Christian radio and broadcasting, and ultimately taking control of the government itself.

And he understood, in a visceral way, how when countries fall into despair -- of course, this began -- it was the time that began the assault on the American working class, which has been accelerated and essentially left tens of millions of people within our own country dispossessed -- he understood how demagogues use that despair. And I think we can say there, in many ways, has been a kind of Weimarization of the American working class. And he saw what we were doing through globalization, what we were doing to our working class and our middle class, coupled with the rise of these so-called Christian demagogues, as a frightening and toxic combination, which, if left unchecked, would destroy our democracy.


According to Steven Spoonamore, IT whistleblower on computer election theft, fundamentalists are being lied to and used to commit the crime of flipping elections (0.00 / 0)
Spoon makes valid points about the people who have been implicated in much of the election thefts such as, "they are religious extremists." He names those who know about stolen elections and he insists that the only way to protect this election is with paper ballots, hand counted.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... It's a network, people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Electronic voting machines are a national security threat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... The genie is out of the bottle....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Fifty ways to steal an election.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Mike Connell: Bush IT Guru
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... The Rapp Family: Ohio election cover-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Evangelicals and voting machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... Paper ballots please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... McCain/Palin will win by theft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... People should doubt the vote, it's being stolen.

...........

More babies are saved when everyone works together using each their own best efforts and expertise to support the needs of young families. Period. Study after study proves it.

Right to lifers, if they only knew that they are being lied to for political manipulation, would be very angry at not just being used, but at the increased loss of more life in real terms.

It is the amoral right wing authoritarians who use religion as a division to control people politically--people who really are moral are made to do immoral things (like being less effective with their main concern of babies lives just to be steered politically and among some steered even to the point of stealing elections) in the name of morality from a leader who is without morals.

Tragic. All the way around.

It's all about power and control; don't do it this year, this November.
............

http://www.democracynow.org/20...

A new book by Chris Hedges called "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America" investigates the highly organized and well-funded "dominionist movement." The book investigates their agenda, examines the movement's origins and motivations and uncovers its ideological underpinnings. "American Fascists" argues that dominionism seeks absolute power in a Christian state. According to Hedges, the movement bears a strong resemblance to the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s.

 Chris Hedges was a foreign correspondent for the New York Times for many years, where he won a Pulitzer Prize. He's also the author of War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning and Losing Moses on the Freeway. Chris Hedges has a Master's degree in theology from Harvard University and is the son of a Presbyterian minister. He is currently a senior fellow at the Nation Institute and joins me in studio now. Welcome to Democracy Now!

 CHRIS HEDGES: Thank you.

 AMY GOODMAN: It's good to have you with us. Why did you write this book?

 CHRIS HEDGES: Anger. I mean, I grew up in the Church and, of course, as you mentioned, graduated from seminary, and I think these people have completely perverted and distorted and manipulated the Christian message into something that is the very antithesis of certainly what Jesus preached in the Gospels.

 AMY GOODMAN: Who are "these people"?

 CHRIS HEDGES: These are -- you know, they're not -- we use terms like "evangelical" and "fundamentalist" to describe them, and I think that those are incorrect terms. Traditional fundamentalists always called on believers to remove themselves from the contaminants of secular society, shun involvement in politics. Evangelical leaders like Billy Graham's always warned followers to keep their distance from political power. He, of course, was burned by Richard Nixon, came to Nixon's defense and then when it publicly came out that Nixon lied, it taught a lesson to Graham.

 This is a new movement, as embodied by people like James Dobson or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, who call for the creation of a Christian state, who talk about attaining secular power. And they are more properly called dominionists or Christian reconstructionists, although it's not a widespread term, but they're certainly not traditional fundamentalists and not traditional evangelicals. They fused the language and iconography of the Christian religion with the worst forms of American nationalism and then created this sort of radical mutation, which has built alliances with powerful rightwing interests, including corporate interests, and made tremendous inroads over the last two decades into the corridors of power.
...........

 AMY GOODMAN: And what are the corporations that are part of this?

 CHRIS HEDGES: Well, DeVos, a guy who founded Amway; Target; Sam's Club. You know, they bring in -- a lot of these corporations like Wal-Mart and Sam's Club and others bring in these sort of dominionist or evangelical ministers into the plants as a way to mollify workers. Subscribing to this belief system is essentially about disempowerment.

snip

AMY GOODMAN: On the back of your book, Chris, is a quote from your professor at Harvard, Dr. James Luther Adams, who said that in a few decades we would all be fighting "Christian fascists." Who was he, and why did he think this?

CHRIS HEDGES: James Luther Adams was my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School. He had spent the years 1935 and 1936 in Germany working with Dietrich Bonhoeffer in the Confessing Church or anti-Nazi church and eventually was picked up by the Gestapo and told to leave the country. He came back -- and this was in the early 1980s, when I was in seminary -- and saw the articulation of this new political religion, this religion that talked about seizing control of mainstream denominations, as well as institutions, creating a parallel media empire through Christian radio and broadcasting, and ultimately taking control of the government itself.

And he understood, in a visceral way, how when countries fall into despair -- of course, this began -- it was the time that began the assault on the American working class, which has been accelerated and essentially left tens of millions of people within our own country dispossessed -- he understood how demagogues use that despair. And I think we can say there, in many ways, has been a kind of Weimarization of the American working class. And he saw what we were doing through globalization, what we were doing to our working class and our middle class, coupled with the rise of these so-called Christian demagogues, as a frightening and toxic combination, which, if left unchecked, would destroy our democracy.


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